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It was great because then the guys had a better insight into what the women had been doing all along. But it also challenged the women to stretch their wings.

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They could stay put, and do whatever, or they could say, you know, "I can do what he's doing, I have the same background, I have the same degree. I can do this." 

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But you have to work for it. You have to actually get involved in the issue, and go outside of yourself, and do a lot more research and it, it. . . . The opportunities

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I saw them in the '80s. You could really see the change taking place in women knowing that they didn't have to be stuck in a clerical support job. 

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That it was part of the job, and this, the professional staff had as much clerical duties as they did because they were—computers were in then, you know. We went . . . 

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the transition from typewriters to fax machines to, I mean, it was a dramatic change in just the way this place ran. And to see it, 

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when you look back on it, you see how it just kind of evolved. And the women now had, even to struggle to fight for their clerical support positions—

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that it was pretty much a given back in the '60s and early '70s. And now that the guys were coming in, guys related to guys better, in a lot of cases. So they would 

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[taps tabletop] pick out a guy and become a mentor to this particular staff assistant, and he would rise through the process. 

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But, women saw that, and would challenge that, and rise right to it. It's a matter of who does what, and who's willing to, to pay their dues to get where they want to go.