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And what I noticed changed, the amount of applicants that were coming in increased, but there were more men looking for entry-level clerical support positions.   

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And that was very unique. Well now the women were being challenged. So it was kind of a unique scenario. And, 

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men especially, when they were right out of college, and they're going to conquer the world, and it would be a, a big, like, comeuppance. "Well, do you know how to type?" 

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"Uh, I did law papers at school." "Okay. Do you know how to file? Do you know how to draft letters? Do you know how to do—answer phones?" "I can learn." 

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"Okay. Then you can start here. You're going to be the secretary working for the other secretary who's on this committee, on this subcommittee, 

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and you'll provide support for her and the subcommittee. You just follow her lead." And next thing you know, 

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we had staff assistants who were guys all over the place. And then it got to be, "Well wait a minute, we have all guys now, we have to. . . ." 

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It was just, it was, it was an interesting scenario because they knew that was the way to get on the Hill, especially right from college.